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hobgoblin
Its now suspected that the mudererer was a right wing, neo-nazi with links to Christian fundamentalist groups. Most of the victims were 14 to 18 year olds stuck on a tiny island on a summer camp, with no escape route. He just went around calmly and systematically gunning them down. He even gunned down the children that were desperately trying to escape by swim away from the island in the freezing cold sea.

Right-wing neo-nazi groups are a serious problem in many countries of northern and eastern Europe, and they're brushed under the carpet by authorities that don't want to face up to the fact that they represent a serious and growing threat in their country. Clamp down on them hard, make all such organisations illegal, and arrest activists before they have a chance to spread their hatred (which ends up resulting in innocent deaths).
eric
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The suspect in police custody — a blonde blue-eyed Norwegian with reported Christian fundamentalist, anti-Muslim views — is suspected in both the shootings at Utoya island and a massive explosion that ripped through an Oslo high-rise building housing the prime minister's office two hours earlier.


Go figure.
eric
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Clamp down on them hard, make all such organisations illegal, and arrest activists before they have a chance to spread their hatred (which ends up resulting in innocent deaths).


Ha!
Ban the Tea Party.
Artemis
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Christian


Not.
Provenance
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Jul 23 2011, 12:29 AM) *
Right-wing neo-nazi groups are a serious problem in many countries of northern and eastern Europe

Aren't those some of the same countries that somehow never quite came to terms with acknowledging the extent of their collaboration during the war?
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Provenance @ Jul 23 2011, 06:17 PM) *
Aren't those some of the same countries that somehow never quite came to terms with acknowledging the extent of their collaboration during the war?
That is true (with the exception perhaps of Russia, which also has a big neo-nazi problem).

Another shameful thing is that the police took 40 minutes to get to the island after being called. That is just shocking considering what was going on on the island. Apparantly they couldn't get hold of boats to get there. How many children's lives will have been lost because of that?
Artemis
http://maps.google.com/?q=60.024169,10.247...rway%29&z=5

Doesn't seem to be the sort of place that lends itself to quick physical presence by anybody.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Artemis @ Jul 23 2011, 06:53 PM) *
Doesn't seem to be the sort of place that lends itself to quick physical presence by anybody.


But 40 minutes? The guy was shooting for a full hour and a half before the police got there. No helicopters on Norway?
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Artemis @ Jul 23 2011, 07:14 PM) *


There's a guy who looks like he's pleading for his life in that photo, why didn't they just shoot the gunman?
Artemis
Wikipedia says Norway police are normally not even armed, but it mentions a special unit created after WTC attacks. Don't know what's involved in getting that to a specific location, though.
thegreenimp
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Jul 23 2011, 01:20 PM) *

QUOTE(Artemis @ Jul 23 2011, 07:14 PM) *


There's a guy who looks like he's pleading for his life in that photo, why didn't they just shoot the gunman?



It's not easy shooting from an inherently unstable helicopter, much less actually hitting a small target.
The Police likely didn't have a proper weapon to fire from the helicopter.
hobgoblin
Fair enough, but 40 minutes justs seems like an unacceptably long time to get to an incident like that. Were there no contingency plans drawn up to deal with incidents of that nature?
Provenance
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Jul 23 2011, 10:20 AM) *
why didn't they just shoot the gunman?

They're not American.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Provenance @ Jul 23 2011, 08:15 PM) *

They're not American.
Or in that instance, British. Still, as its Norway, they'll probably put him on some sort of rehabilitation plan to deal with his 'issues'.
Jaded Prole
If it was America we would have attacked immigrants for looking like suspicious foreigners, enacted ill-thought draconian security laws and declared war on several countries.
OCvertDe
…and admonished them all to change their diet.
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