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Jay
In response to a comment Artemis made recently, I just looked up Henri Bardouin pastis, and according to Wiki, it has an herb bill of 50 different herbs. Chartreuse is the only other liqueur I'm aware of with such an extraordinarily high number of herbs.

To the best of my recollection, I've never seen an absinthe advertised as having more than 11 or so different herbs. Does anyone happen to know of an absinthe which includes anywhere near 50 herbs, and if not, what are your thoughts on why it has never been done (at least commercially)?
Bruno Rygseck
Licor 43, a liqueur, is supposed to contain 43 different herbs.

Maybe absinthe just doesn't need more than the few important ones.

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Absomphe
No, but Blanche de Fougerolles has an herb bill of about 13.
sbmac
Don't forget Heinz 57.
Artemis
One of the recipes in the old books has nine or eleven herbs, and some HGers have made it. It's a blanche. I don't think I've ever seen a recipe for absinthe with more herbs than that.

I would guess that absinthe was founded on a fairly simple medicine that was essentially an extract of wormwood, and there was no reason for distillers to stray far from that origin since people already liked the taste of it.

Pastis has been cast as an absinthe substitute that developed after the ban, although I'm not sure that's actually the truth. Maybe it has a closer kinship with Chartreuse and the like, concoctions that include many more herbs. Bardouin pastis is very herbal for sure, not much like any absinthe I've tasted.

http://www.franceway.com/regions/provence/pastis/pastis.htm
Jack Batemaster
L'homme de lune a utilisé beaucoup d'herbes et d'éspices.
Tibro
Herbal liqueurs are legion across Europe. Every district in every region seems to have its own variation. From simple to complex. But I believe the vast majority of them are macerates. It's kind of simple to keep monkeying with something by dumping another herb into the cauldron and seeing what results, flavor-wise.

But the primary macerate for absinthe is distilled. What results is not so easily monkeyed with. Flavors aren't so easily projected as to what they'll turn out to be post-distillation. And once you have that perfumed distillate how much more monkeying around are you going to want to do, knowing that starting over from scratch is not such a simple operation?
Tibro
Goodness me, I just looked at the HB site.

QUOTE
These things cannot be improvised.


Well, no, not once you've created a product that you want to keep consistent. But originally it had to be all improvisation.

Some of the statements on that page remind me of things I can imagine Kyle Bairnsfather saying in defense of maceration and filterationing over distillation. But maybe he wouldn't say them so quickly now.
Provenance
QUOTE(Tibro @ May 17 2012, 01:05 AM) *
And once you have that perfumed distillate how much more monkeying around are you going to want to do, knowing that starting over from scratch is not such a simple operation?

Artemis
I just liked the drawings of plants on the Franceway site.

But that monkey bottle is the chouette. Finest non-antique bottle I've ever seen. I thought I saw flaws in the glass near the top (WTF! - who would go that far?) until I realized it was plastic wrap.
Tibro
Damn fine gin, too. If that's really what it is. Sometimes I wonder. 47 is the number of herbs it contains. Lotta monkey. No xit (thrown).
Jack Batemaster
Où est Leadbetter ?
Jay
Sounds like a gin that I could go bananas over, too. I'll keep a lookout for that one.

Thanks for the responses. I think the fact that the fact that it isn't very easy to experiment with a distillate as opposed to a macerate makes a lot of sense, although I suppose someone could distill dozens of different herbs separately, and then mix them with their "basic" absinthe in various combinations in very small batches to see how they turn out.
Provenance
I like it because it comes in a wood box -- a sure sign of quality spirits.
Jack Batemaster
Bien sûr.
Artemis
Apparently it's not like an object in the rearview mirror and is actually smaller than it appears? Put the kibosh on the wooden crate and put more gin into a bigger bottle, monkey people.
Artemis
Yep, half a liter.

Oh and all you asshats with the "Swear you're 21 before we let you enter" website idiocy - fuck off and die. I won't participate in your stupid charade, so I'll never see your website. But any 16-year-old who wants to will.
Artemis
Being refused entry sometimes compels me to seek my entertainment elsewhere.

This is good:

http://www.ginjourney.co.uk/gin-reviews/monkey-47-gin/

So it has that Henriod sisters vending their elixir from an old chamber pot on the street, yellowed recipe decaying in an antique writing desk cache, which is always good. Plus a monkey. Everything is better with a monkey.
Père Ubu
Ted makes you swear you are 21. I think it is a cover your a$$ type of legal thing.
Jack Batemaster
Voilà:

http://www.bestabsinthe.com/index2.htm

Voilà:

http://www.monkey47.com/monkey47_en.html
Artemis
My friend Jack (not Batemaster) was the best story teller I ever encountered in person. While in the military, he was stationed in North Africa, and one of his mates had a monkey that would lurk clinging above doorways, and when a person came through, the monkey would fall upon him and rape him in the ear.

The guys had a tin radio shack on top of a hill, and a troop of baboons would pass by on a regular basis. One day the fools decided to seek their amusement by throwing rocks at the baboons. It was a learning experience. What they learned is that a baboon can throw a rock about as accurately as a human, and a lot harder. The humans took refuge in the shack, and the baboons proceeded to try and knock it down. Only by calling in air support (C-130) to buzz the boons and scare them off did the rash primates get out of their predicament.
Artemis
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I think it is a cover your a$$ type of legal thing.


No doubt, but that doesn't make it any less stupid, it just spreads the stupidity around. Thanks for the correction though, I should have written 21. It used to be 18, at least in Louisiana.
Zman
I agree, it is one of the most stupid and idiotic things in the booze business. AFAIK, there is no USA legal requirement that you put the stooopid "you must be 21 before entering" on your website. However, many states do ask/require that you do so before letting your booze be sold in said state. Smoke & mirrors. Touchy-feely; let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya crap.
Tibro
The question is, do baboons fling poo?
Jack Batemaster
Demande Leadbetter !
Jaded Prole
Leadbetter?
Jack Batemaster
Le vrai Leadbetter
darkend_163
Eichelberger 78 Verte - is made from 26 different herbs.

It's a pity that "Distilleries et domaines de Provence" make their low quality Absente.
If they could make such a high quality, herb-beast absinthe as Henri Bardouin, I believe it could be very unique and intriguing one.
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