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Artemis
Le Tribunal administratif fédéral a accepté les recours de plusieurs distilleries dont Morand en Valais. L'absinthe ne pourra pas être protégée par une IGP.

The federal administrative court has accepted the appeal of several distilleries with Morand in Valais. Absinthe will not be able to be protected by an IGP.

Le Tribunal Administratif Fédéral (TAF) a admis les recours de plusieurs distilleries dont la société Morand à Martigny: les dénominations "Absinthe", "Fée verte" et "la Bleue" ne pourront pas faire l'objet d'une indication géographique protégée comme demandé par l'Association interprofessionnelle de l'Absinthe.

The Federal Administrative Court (TAF) accepted the appeals of several distilleries with the Morand society in Martigny: the names "Absinthe", "Green Fairy" and "la Bleue" will not be able to be the object of a geographical protection designation as requested by the Interprofessional Association of Absinthe.

Selon les documents que nous nous sommes procurés, le TAF relève que "ces dénominations sont des noms génériques (...) et qu'elles ne peuvent par conséquent pas être enregistrées comme IGP, les recours doivent être admis, dans la mesure où ils sont recevables. Il convient donc (...) d'admettre les oppositions déposées par les recourantes et d'annuler la décision attaquée."

According to the documents we obtained, the TAF notes that "these names are generic names (...) and as a result they cannot be registered as IGP, the appeals must be accepted, to the extent they are receivable. It is suitable therefore (...) to accept objections deposited by appellants and to cancel the attached decision."

http://www.museeabsinthe.com/forums/index....ost&p=69286
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Artemis
If I understand correctly, it's not even Switzerland trying to shut out the French (and everybody else), but people in a limited area of Switzerland trying to shut out everybody else, including other Swiss!
It seems the IGPers can themselves appeal to a higher court, but it will cost them, and they have to pay the costs for the appeal they just lost as well, so they'll have to sell a lot of the world's only true absinthe to keep it up. It's about 20,000 Swiss francs at this point, according to Marc.

Tibro
Fear not, Hogsmack knows no borders. Never has, never will.
Provenance
What's an IGP?
Artemis
It never meant much in the U.S. for various reasons, but it pissed a lot of people off. It's like a small part of Ireland trying to trademark "whisky" for their exclusive use.
As for the poster, that product winning awards in France leads me to assume that either the French were not always as choosey about the word champagne as they are today, or the product was entered as something else, or the product category for the competition was somewhat broadly defined.
Provenance
Competitions that rely on judgement never change.
Tibro
Speaking of which, has Pernod-Ricard weighed in on the scales of this injustice?
Artemis
I don't know. There's a long running thread about it at the French place, but I haven't kept up with it. I seem to remember reading that it wasn't a real threat to French producers (much less American), for reasons regarding the way these laws work in Europe that I didn't understand. I always figured it was never a threat to anybody because it couldn't possibly stand, but courts have surprised me before.
Tibro
No matter how many times she's poked in the eye, Justice isn't blind.
Artemis
Of more interest to me is stuff like this. Someone visited the cafe in which the famous photo of Verlaine with an absinthe was taken:
http://www.museeabsinthe.com/forums/index....amp;#entry69372
Apparently they sell absinthe again. But only one - Pernod.
Tibro
Pernod makes absinthe?
Artemis
Opinions vary.
What they're making now; I guess it's absinthe (finally) but it's not good.
The consensus seems to be that they're (finally) on the right path but have a long way to go.
Tibro
What's your opinion (No need to refer to the VdT, IGP or lack of legal definitions)?

Absinthe is one thing. Maybe it's good, usually it's not. Not good enough to spend money on, anyways. Maybe I should differentiate between the blatant rent-seekers and the honest entrepreneurs, but…

Hogsmack. I'll take my chances.
Artemis
You're asking my opinion of their absinthe?
What they made previously (in the modern era) was laughable, from what I read about it - it wasn't absinthe, it was glorified pastis or some half-ass oil mix, etc. I'm not sure I even tasted it, but I didn't have to. Seems it went through several iterations, but got marginally (if at all) better. Nobody who knew anything about absinthe took it seriously.
Marc tried the latest version and wrote a positive review. I asked for a sample and he provided it, and I thought it was awful. I think I wrote it up here - it was like sucking on a penny - almost as though it had been colored with grand wormwood.
Our opinions of it couldn't have more opposing, so I chalked it off to the fact that I was taking medicine that weekend that could have interfered with my taste buds. I mean, Marc knows shitty absinthe when he tastes it.
But since, I've read several reviews at the French forum that confirmed my opinion, especially the long-lasting (hours) unpleasant aftertaste.
Now it comes out that there are two versions of the latest iteration, a good one and a mauvaise one, with at least one shop having returned their stock to Pernod, having been embarrassed by selling the latter.
So I don't know. There are so many variables, it's hard to make any definitive judgement.
OCvertDe
Easier to avoid it, unfortunately.
Steve
The bad version of Pernod is just the old version in the new bottles. It was a really stupid thing for them to do.
Jack Batemaster
Ils sont trop ricard …
Bruno Rygseck
Pernod Absinthe Superwhat?

The new P.A.S. (the Finns can fill in the missing letters) is even less good than the (nostalgic) oil-mix in the looks-like-a-home-computer-made-label'led bottle. I tried it in the bar and 5,50 euros spent on it made me drink it bottoms up (a good Finn never sinks booze). Hollow, with bitter aftertaste. However, the barwoman was nice: Icewater was served, according to my suggestion, in a steel pitcher with a lid, normally used for cream (for coffee). The bar experience itself was nice although the drink wasn't. I guess that's one way how alcoholics are made.

- On the topic: good thing that the IGP was rejected.

Steve
So the absinthe IGP is finally and completely dead! They are going to file a new IGP for "Absinthe Val de Travers" and "Fée Verte Val de Travers". No problem!

http://www.rtn.ch/rtn/Actualites/Regionale…P-Absinthe.html
rob fritz
I don't know why they even need a second IGP, seems like a waste of money unless you are trying to grab as many tourist dollars as possible.
Artemis
If I understand what I read at the French forum, it might cause problems among distillers within the designated "region" (Val de Travers in this case) because it imposes recipe restrictions. You have to make the stuff that's the approved stuff to be able to legally call it the stuff. But apparently you can opt out, make what you want, and just avoid using the protected words on your label. I agree that the new designation makes little sense. It supposedly started out as an anti-Czech thing, and nobody there or anywhere else has ever claimed their absinthe to be of Val de Travers origin when it wasn't, as far as I know.
Provenance
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DrinkSlinger, on 14 Jul 2005 - 16:28, said:

Funny thing.
The best tasting peep-o-ccino I've ever made was with Opie's faux-bleue.

It was just sweet enough, and just fake enough, to make the drink fantastic.


Artemis
Yeah, I thought about the faux bleue that was around back in the day, but decided not to mention it. I don't know about Opie, but I was thinking of some that I thought came from Switzerland, but as it turned out maybe didn't. And it was great. So maybe I never knew true faux. I did watch some of his films, though.
rob fritz
You are right Artemis, the IGP does restrict the distiller on his recipes, that was often cited to me during my visit to the festival in Boveresse. As I walked among the different distiller booths there were plenty of anti IGP signs around an no pro IGP anything.
Steve
Here is the statement from the distillers' association:

http://www.absinthe-interprofession.ch/AIA0914.pdf
Artemis
Translation:


We're stubborn.
Send Euros.
Steve
Swiss francs, not Euros!
Tibro
You misspelled "and".
Artemis
I was assuming the court costs were payable in Euros and trying to save them exchange fees.
SethP
Seeing shit (pardon my language) like this..
http://www.prague-guide.co.uk/articles/gre…h-absinthe.html
and.. http://www.originalabsinthe.com/absinthe-l…-gold-p-56.html *

Well. I almost (!) would go for the original VdT (or Swiss) IGP regarding absinthe (and of course absinth too) in general.

*) Take a real close look at the price for that one.
Kirk
Taunting
Bruno Rygseck
It looks like nothing is going to make them go away. "Revival" my ass. Well, OK, those bitter sink-drinks have not been a hot topic in here for years now. Spelling and IGPs aside, I'd like to try an absinth from a country that has a red flag with a white cross in it:

http://www.loegismose.dk/shop/product/11059/

Tibro
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But Absinthe also had bothersome side-effects, such as blindness and death, which finally led to it being banned.


No wonder.

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